2016-17 NBA season

Discussion in 'Sports Haps' started by Stockdale4Veep, Oct 25, 2016.

  1. y2chae
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    The thing I don't like is how everyone is saying the Warriors got redemption, payback, revenge, etc.

    Well, they added one of the best players in the league to an already great roster. That'd be like if after the 2008 NBA Finals, the Lakers added LeBron, Wade or Dirk and had a rematch with the Celtics and won. REDEMPTION!
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    That said GSW does deserve all the credit for drafting well, scouting well, not signing anyone to a bad contract and hiring the right coaches. Organization wise they deserve all the credit and being in place to sign KD. Should be interesting if Paul goes to the Spurs and if anyone else tries to create or add to the super teams. Paul George to Cleveland?

    Anyway it's clear what the Cavs need. They need better 3 and D players than the trio of Shumpert, Smith and Korver.

    Shumpert is a good defender but an okay at best 3 point shooter. Smith is good but streaky shooter and can play good defense but is too prone to lapses. Korver is one of the greatest 3 point shooters in history but can't play defense and also can't seem to hit an important 3 if it's late in the game and within a possession or two. That wide open miss when the Cavs were up 2 with less than a minute left in game 3 was huge.
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    Definitely need better D. They shot 3s just fine, tho. They just didn't shoot enough of them, apparently mistaking how they won the previous game.
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    Prope RIP soxwon

    Should have stuck with Wiggins.
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    Not sure how Durant is a bitch. He decided not to play with the team that won him in a lottery. Can't really see what loyalty he owed OKC.
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    I guess in the court of public opinion, he's a "bitch" for joining a super team that nearly broke the season wins record without him. If he went to LA or NY or really anywhere else that wasn't the best team in the league already before he joined, I'm sure people would be giving him much less shit. Basically the same idea with Lebron and Miami. If Lebron went to the Knicks and they built a team around him, nobody would have said shit except the butthurt Cavs fans.
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    His team was also up 3-1 on the warriors in the WCF the year before but blew it. Wasn't like he was on some mediocre BULLSesque team
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    Still don't get it. Free agency is just that. He can play with whichever team he pleases.
  9. Stockdale4Veep
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    Do you have the same mentality for Lebron?
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    Sure. Any free agent is free to sign wherever they please. There are plenty of incentives offered to players to stay with their original teams, but at the end of the day, they are free to refuse those if they wish to play with another team.
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    Sure, obviously they can play wherever they want, but people reserve the right to call them bitches. They can choose whether or not to give a shit, which I'm sure they don't.
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    My point is that those people are wrong. It'd be like calling somebody a bitch because they decided they didn't want to work at the grocery store they first worked at when they were 16.
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    Might be the worst analogy I've ever heard
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    Why do athletes owe sports teams loyalty? I've always been confused by this. It's a fucking business, first and foremost.
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    Just terrible. If I switch jobs every 3 years to get more money and more benefits it's a completely different thing. My job isn't based on a competition and it is entertainment for millions of people. Kevin Durant no matter what team he plays on will make the basically the same amount of money. The criticism of him is that he took a very easy path to win a title, in a sport where one player shifts so much. Everyone hated Lebron/Bosh (Wade was kind of given a pass because they came to play with him) for the same reason.

    It doesn't make anyone a bad person for doing so but say the Warriors win 5 straight titles- in the grand scheme of things that means they are a great and historic team but without any competition in the era does that mean anything? Even Jordan had the Knicks. The god damn Pacers took them to 7 games in 96 (game 7 was close). The Blazers, Suns and both Jazz Finals series were very competitive.

    Kind of like the 60's the Celtics, they were great but by far being the best team of the era without much opposition, along with being able to keep the team together, what does that really say? Basically it's more you didn't screw it up than actually rising up to win something.
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    Switching jobs for more money = totally okay
    Switching to an "easy" job for the same amount of money = right out

    :HapsDifference:
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    Patrons of the store aren't expected to buy replicas of your name tag as incentives to keep you there.
  18. zmz
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    Do the hosed tards not realize there's a massive difference between switching jobs in the real world and shamelessly switching organizations when you're a top 3 player in the fucking NBA?
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    I'm still not convinced by these arguments. Golden State played the salary cap game perfectly, Durant played for the team he wanted to play for. Nothing wrong with any of that.
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    :nod:
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    3 part 30 for 30 on Celtics / Lakers.

    :notbad:
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    I'm halfway through Part 2. This is so insanely detailed. I'm blown away by the amount of work put into it.
  24. maurice
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    I appreciated the way they shredded Boston fans for being racist assholes.
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    That and they went after Magic for being a bitch when he first came into the league and demanding a trade to get his coach fired.

    So often those two topics get completely whitewashed in the hysteria of MAGIC VS BIRD. LAKERS VS CELTICS~!!!

    They also corrected the silly narrative that the NBA immediately became popular once Bird and Magic came into the league. Those games were still on tape delay for quite a few more years.
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    Just thought of something. Say Ben Simmons and Fultz are as advertised and they impress. Both become the top 2 contenders for ROY and the Sixers are either just out of playoff spot or just make it in. What if Lebron and Chris Paul go to Philly in 2018? They just need to dump Jerryd Bayless' contract and get rid of Okafor because he doesn't really fit (would rather have Saric as the stretch 4 off the bench).

    You could see a team of

    Paul
    Fultz
    Simmons
    LeBron
    Embiid

    With a bench of Saric, McConnell, Stauskas plus another 1st round pick in 2018, whatever asset they get back for Okafor and they would still have around $18 million in cap space to sign someone else, depending on what happens with Covington.

    Trump GSW's "big four" with a "big five" seems like the way to defeat them. Plus you are younger and more athletic and LeBron stays in the East, which is the smarter move than going to LA and having to face 3 tough teams just to get to the Finals.
  27. Prope
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    Prope RIP soxwon

    I've always thought it'd be fun for Lebron to become a bounty hunter and sign 1 year deals with a different team each year for the purpose of getting a ring for a new team.
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    sycked If you loved me, you'd all kill yourselves today.

    :mj:

    Probably for the vet minimum salary, yeah? Wouldn't laugh normally but the guy did everything imaginable off the court to rub us the wrong way. I remember a press conference a few years ago when he still had two years left on his max deal with the Bulls and he was all I'm not going to risk not being able to stand at my kid's graduation. GFY
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    Prope RIP soxwon

    Of course he'll go for 19/5/8 next season. Of course he'll get away from the silly desire to be a jump shooter and just drive and kick all fucking year. Of course he'll go to the NBA Finals next season.
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    Oh, I don't think it's going to go well at all. LeBron James is a manic competitor who demands buy-in from his team especially on the defensive end. Derrick is Derrick.
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    LeBron deals with Kyrie's defense because Kyrie can put in buckets. If it was 2010-11 Rose LeBron would deal with Derrick's defense too. But this is a broken down Rose who chucks up bad 3's.
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    I was actually surprised to see how much he drove last year. I believe it was his career high with something like 40%+ of his shots coming from 0-3 feet. Offensively, he was almost competent last year.

    Now defense... well...
  34. maurice
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    He actually looked really good on drives. I think I mentioned that at the time. He just can't finish above the rim any more.

    Somewhat related: They had a contest on the Score this morning, and part of it was to name as many NBA PG as you an in 10 seconds. Dude named 2 but also said LBJ and
    :what:
    He didn't name the league MVP, the MVP runner up, the former MVP who plays on the championship team, the former MVP who used to play in Chicago, or any other Chicago PG.

    I immediately went downstairs and asked my kids the same question. They got up 7 before running out of time and then named like 5 more. Just a reminder that so many uber-sports-fan meatheads pay almost no attention to African Handball.
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    Especially not the Mully & Hanley fanbase.
  36. y2chae
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    NBA fanbase skews much younger than the other leagues, which is good for their future outlook. Same with soccer.

    Unfortunately for me and Fed, pro wrestling seems to be dying. Only golf, NASCAR and tennis have an older viewing audience. That's not a group you want to be in.
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    sycked If you loved me, you'd all kill yourselves today.

    30 something y/o wrestling genes
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    It's also not a sport. Probably more relevant to compare it to the age of soap opera fandom

    :teef:
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    Yes because wrestling isn't bigger globally than ever before.....
  40. y2chae
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    :wrong:

    In Japan it's become niche as ever and that's the 2nd biggest market worldwide. Same with Lucha in Mexico and that's the 3rd biggest market. Wrestling was much more mainstream and popular in those countries in the 80's and 90's, just like here.

    There's an uptick in the UK right now but the are led by a couple indie promotions that do small venues, so it's hard to gauge popularity but it's not super mainstream over there either. Same goes for mainstream Europe, perhaps it's more popular there now but it's indie promotions that draw a couple thousand.

    There's a reason WWE is trying to hit high population untapped markets like India and China.
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  41. y2chae
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    When will LaVar Ball go away?
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    After at least 3 reality tv shows about him and his family.
  43. y2chae
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    He's the perfect celebrity in this age of Trump
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    Woj tweeting that Irving to the Celts for Thomas, Crowder, a pick and Zicic. I assume Cavs are also sending one of JR Smith or Shumpert as part of this to match salaries.
  46. maurice
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    Will Boston fans be upset that their star player got traded?

    :willsmith:

    I know they don't care about black people.
  47. zmz
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    Boston fans when Kyrie doesn't pass it to Hayward:

    [​IMG]
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    BeviBall No wallet. No crack. Not me.

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    Saw on FB today a poll asking who wins in a game of 3-on-3 in their primes:
    Iverson - Jordan - Bird
    Curry - Kobe - LBJ

    A few reasonable people responded "MJ is the GOAT, but who are Iverson and Bird supposed to guard?" This didn't go over well with about 1,000 (white) people who responded that only a kid who never saw him play would think that Bird couldn't guard LBJ or score on him at will.

    :what:
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    Regular season starts today feat. CLE vs. BOS and GS vs. HOU.

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