2017 Minor League News & Notes

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  2. y2chae
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    Only maurice would try and have some sort of dick measuring contest about White Sox prospects
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    whitesox901 Banjo and Kazui's great adventure

    Moncada is still too much of a free swinger, and Lopez's FIP/xFIP are still kinda high
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    Neither of those are real reasons to keep them down.

    The roster will clear up once Frazier, Melky, Roberston and possibly Kahnle are gone. I suspect if they can't find takers for Shields, Holland and MiGo, they could be waiver traded in August- at the very least they'll be DFA'd/cut.

    So you are going to need arms to take the ball and start games. Lopez has to be one of those guys. Fulmer has struggled this year in AAA, so who knows if he's an option, probably Danish is the better choice right now. And I imagine Holmberg makes some starts too.

    As for Moncada it depends on how they value service time vs MLB development and using his call up as a PR/attendance boost.
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    The point of a depth chart is to show, you know, depth. You can have 2 LFs listed in A+.
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    While you are right, it seems like a minor thing to complain about.
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    What's the fucking point of this board if not to complain about petty shit?
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    sycked If you loved me, you'd all kill yourselves today.

    The purpose of this board pretty much.
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    Truer words have never been spoken

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    maurice Gangster of Love

    It looks like a chart made by some random Soxtalk poster. The criteria for inclusion seems almost random, ignoring obvious guys like Jordan Stephens but including multiple non-prospects.

    Not to harp on Booker too much, but he's batting .169 in A+ and will turn 24 by the end of the year. He has zero power, so his value depends on his hit tool, his speed, and his glove. Right now, they all suck. Since the Jimenez acquisition, Booker has been benched, except for one game when he batted 8th and DHed. If Call had stayed healthy, the benching would have occurred even sooner, since the Sox apparently consider him to be a non-prospect. As a 22nd round pick, he won't get many more chances. There is a good chance that he'll be out of baseball next year.

    The objective of Hahn's deadline deals this year probably is to bolster the AA and A+ lineups so that guys like Booker aren't playing every day. Guys like him are only on the radar because we had so little organizational depth in the past and publications like to make Top 30 lists. We shouldn't see that going forward.
    Last edited: Jul 17, 2017
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    Just letting the deadline and waiver trades run their course. After the Q trade, Hahn had a clear choice between promoting Lopez or activating Gonzalez. I guess he still feels like he has an outside chance of trading Gonzalez.
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    The Ed Sheeran Effect.
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    Well, he does post at Soxtalk

    :faint:
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    Rutherford, Skoug, and Call all playing for Kanny tonight, joining a lineup that already included Adolfo and top 2017 picks Burger, Sheets, and Gonzalez.

    :nicholson2:

    Robert took one AB in the DSL game yesterday and then was pulled from the game.

    :yeesh:
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    If the dude is hurt, let's just not push him back. Not like the DSL team needs him to get to the playoffs or whatever.
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    Skoug 2-2 and batting 1.000 at Kannapolis and Burger hitting .389 - 4-for-4 with 2 doubles and a triple. HR away from the cycle.

    :erection:
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    Eloy Jimenez: HR and 2 doubles
    Michael Kopech: 6 IP, 0 runs, 4 hits, 0 BB, 7 K's

    Collins just homered too
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    Collins is hitting .282/.370/.590 in July
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    #KKKKKKKKopech retires Angel Franco swinging for his 8th strikeout of the evening! Stretch time in BHam!

    Everything is happening!
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    maurice Gangster of Love

    Some more final numbers:
    Kopech 8 IP, 0 R, 4 H, 0 BB, 8 K, 11:5 GO:FO, 97 pitches
    Basabe 2-3, HBP, R, RBI, CS
    Burger 5-5, 2 2B, 3B, 2 R, 2 RBI
    Adolfo 2-5, 3B, 2 RBI, OF assist at home
    Booker healthy scratch again
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    Kopech 8 IP, 0 R, 4 H, 0 BB, 8 K, 11:5 GO:FO, 97 pitches

    Burger 5-5, 2 2B, 3B, 2 R, 2 RBI

    :nng:
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    Jimenez HR was nearly 400' to the opposite field.
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    Another bomb for Jimenez. Clarkin not good. Cease pitches tonight.
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    MLB released their midseason top 100 prospects:

    http://m.mlb.com/news/article/24415...17-midseason-prospect-list/?topicid=151437456

    Moncada (1)
    Jimenez (7)
    Kopech (12)
    Robert (26)
    Rutherford (45)
    Lopez (60)
    Giolito (61)
    Cease (69)

    Tatis Jr (59)- probably can blame Kenny for that

    Hansen, Dunning and Burger have a shot to make the top 100 next preseason depending on how well they perform the rest of the year.

    Tied with the Braves for most "Prospect Points". Braves did recently trade Jamie Garcia but it seems like they won't go full sell mode and hold onto Flowers and Freeman, their top 2 assets at the moment. Kemp, with that contract, basically cannot be traded unless the Braves eat money and I doubt they will.

    Meanwhile we still have assets in Abreu, Avi, Melky, Swarzak, L Garcia, Jennings and Y Sanchez. (not including the subpar starting pitchers we have that will either be DFA'd or given away for a marginal prospect)

    Abreu clearly has a role as a mentor, especially to Moncada and possibly Robert if he is still around when he is up. So it would take a big overpay for Hahn to deal Abreu, basically a deal he couldn't refuse. And only a moron would do that for a 30 year old mostly all bat 1B. So I doubt he's going anywhere.

    Avi is interesting as he's clearly worth at least 1 backend top 100 prospect now and being a FA after the 2019 season, unless he signs a team friendly deal this offseason there's probably no reason real to keep him around. That said, his value can increase because the only reason teams would hesitate on Avi is his lack of a track record, if Hahn reaches a point where he can get a top 30-40 for Avi next season I think he'll do it.

    Yolmer has cooled off since a nice start so I think his value has diminished and there is no reason to really trade him as he's under team control for a while. It's nice to see he's developed a MLB bat after he'd post good numbers in the minor but not do well in the majors. At the least I think we know we have a good utility guy. Leury is injured but if he keeps up having a 800 OPS to next July he becomes a valuable asset.

    Melky, Swarzak and Jennings are worth a lotto ticket on their own. They could be packaged to get an average prospect back, like someone similar to a Clarkin.

    Also I find it funny that Jeren Kendall is #86 when Burger is not on it. It's clearly based on philosophy, Kendall is the toolsy more raw prospect who strikes out a ton. Burger is the doughy 'baseball bat' that can just hit. FWIW, Burger is killing it in A ball while Kendall has yet to move past Rookie ball.
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    That top 4 looks good. The rest is pretty shady, especially...
    Rutherford (45) & Cease (69)
    Burger, Collins, Hansen & Dunning (unranked)

    Note that the entire list is new to the Sox. The hardest part for these guys going forward is that they don't play in the Cubs, Dodgers, Yankees, or Red Sox organizations. Rutherford and Cease are only ranked that highly because they came from popular clubs.

    I mean, Cease was drafted in 2014, yet he only has 130 MiLB IP and walked 71 batters. If he profiles as a RP, then his ranking should be closer to guys like Fulmer & Burdi and well below Hansen & Dunning. For all intents and purposes, Rutherford is comparable to his teammate Adolfo as a prospect. It's a joke to put him 15 spots higher than Lopez and lord knows how many spots ahead of Adolfo, Collins & Burger.

    Over time, the people who make these rankings will realize this ^ but they're more likely to drop Rutherford & Cease than they are to shoot the other guys up the rankings. OTOH, Jimenez & Kopech should stay near the top because they're just so obviously amazing.
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    It may be more helpful to look at this in terms of tiers, rather than their somewhat arbitrary number ranking in the Top 100. Looking at it this way shows that the Sox have 10 more guys who are close to making the top 100 based on their MLB Pipeline grades:

    65
    Moncada - 2B

    60
    Jimenez - OF
    Kopech - SP

    55
    Robert - OF
    Rutherford - OF
    Lopez - SP
    Giolito - SP
    Cease - SP?

    50
    Hansen - SP
    Collins - C
    Dunning - SP
    Fulmer - RP
    Burger - 3B
    Burdi - RP
    Adams - SP
    Adolfo - RF
    Sheets - 1B
    Cordell - OF <--EDIT

    45
    Basabe - CF
    Stephens - SP
    Tilson - DL
    Guerrero - SP
    Clarkin - SP
    Skoug - C
    Fisher - OF
    Call - OF
    Bummer - RP
    Nunez - IF
    Martinez - SP?
    Florez - RP
    Delmonico - 1B/LF

    This organization is DEEP. They've come a long way from the days of having old, non-prospects in the Top 10.
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2017
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  31. IWMB
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    But where's Booker?
  32. y2chae
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    Top 100 lists can be very subjective as Hansen was in BP's midseason 100 but not in MLB. Also shown by Judge being 45 in the preseason list, when clearly if there was a "rerank" he'd be #1, as he's the AL MVP at this point in the season.

    Certainly towards the bottom 50, it becomes more difficult to rank- meaning is there that much that separates the supposed bottom 50 vs the next 50 (101-150)? Probably not too much. Which is why one could easily see any of the 50 overall rated guys go into the top 100.
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    It's a Top 100 list only because people like round numbers. Everybody recognizes that guys in the same tier are all very close so, when they're deciding which 50-rating guys to put in the bottom of the Top 100, you'd better believe that they're thinking about irrelevant considerations like "Do we really want to rank the Sox org higher than ATL at this point?" and "Shouldn't we throw the Dodgers another bone given their track record?"

    They complained that Hansen still needs to work on his control...but yet Cease is ranked 69. smh
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    Hahn added another 50 rating guy today in Cordell, who was ranked 17th in the strong Brewers system.

    Added to the list.
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    Today
    Giolito 7 IP, 0 R, 4 H, 3 BB, 6 K, 104 pitches, 8:2 GO:FO
    Hansen 6 IP, 3 R, 2 ER, 2 H, 3 BB, 7 K, 94 pitches, 4:6 GO:FO
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    Lopez 5 IP, 2 R, 4 H, 2 BB, 10 K.

    Kopech 6 IP, 1 R, 2 H, 2 BB, 12 K.

    Dunning 7 IP, 0 R, 6 H, 1 BB, 6 K.

    :nng:
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    Here's the return for Lt. Dan:

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    65

    Moncada - 2B

    60
    Jimenez - OF
    Kopech - SP

    55
    Robert - OF
    Rutherford - OF
    Lopez - SP
    Giolito - SP
    Cease - SP?

    50
    Hansen - SP
    Collins - C
    Dunning - SP
    Fulmer - RP
    Burger - 3B
    Burdi - RP
    Adams - SP
    Adolfo - RF
    Sheets - 1B
    Cordell - OF
    Gillespie - 1B

    45
    Basabe - CF
    Stephens - SP
    Tilson - DL
    Guerrero - SP
    Clarkin - SP
    Skoug - C
    Fisher - OF
    Call - OF
    Bummer - RP
    Nunez - IF
    Martinez - SP?
    Florez - RP
    Delmonico - 1B/LF
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    http://www.foxsports.com/mlb/story/tampa-bay-rays-why-not-casey-gillaspie-at-first-020317
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    65
    Moncada - 2B

    60
    Jimenez - OF
    Kopech - SP

    55
    Rutherford - OF
    Robert - OF
    Lopez - SP
    Giolito - SP
    Cease - SP

    50
    Collins - C
    Gillespie - 1B
    Sheets - 1B
    Burger - 3B
    Cordell - OF
    Adolfo - RF
    Hansen - SP
    Dunning - SP
    Adams - SP
    Fulmer - RP
    Burdi - RP/DL

    45
    Skoug - C
    Delmonico - 1B/LF
    Nunez - IF
    Fisher - OF
    Basabe - CF
    Call - OF
    Tilson - CF/DL
    Stephens - SP
    Guerrero - SP
    Clarkin - SP
    Puckett - SP
    Martinez - SP
    Bummer - RP
    Florez - RP
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    Evan Skoug seems better than his rating. Dark horse.
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    Another catcher, Seby Zavala, has a .974 in high A ball.

    He's like Zack Collins but with better production and no pedigree.
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    I imagine despite the small sample size he'll be pushed to AA soon, mostly so him and Collins don't have to split the catching duties, I think you'd want both catching daily. And from what I see the catchers at AA are terrible with the bat and judging by those numbers they don't have a hope of MLB unless that drastically changes.

    Also Seby will turn 24 in August, so catchers do take longer to develop but finishing at AA at age 24 is a good track. Then he can do a season of AA/AAA next year and maybe get called up based on his performances late in the season. By spring training 2019 if Seby can keep this up with the bat him and Collins battle out for playing time with the Sox.
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    This has to be some kind of Cooplfxm record. The secondary guy they got in the Melky deal, Andre Davis, started for Kanny today:
    6 IP, 0 R, 4 H, 1 BB, 8 K.

    :andruw:
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    Future's so :nng:, gotta wear shades.
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    Since joining Sox org

    Eloy Jimenez: .349/.406/.651
    Luis Robert: .273/.487/.455
    Blake Rutherford: .351/.415/.432
    Jake Burger: .326/.426/.558
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    The OBPs

    :nng:
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