Petulant Sale and the incompetent front office

Discussion in 'SOXual Healing' started by y2chae, Jul 25, 2016.

  1. y2chae
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    I think all this Sale stuff deserves it's own thread...

    I think we can summarize all this is the culmination of a complete organizational failure. It started last year when Shark and Cooper didn't get along and Shark decided to ignore Cooper's direction and do whatever. Sale sees this and follow suit and starts doing whatever he wants out on the mound.

    Fatherboy saga happens, combination of a front office that let that dumb hick weirdo trot around his wiener kid for a year and a pussy manager that no one respects, Sale goes off on team and specifically Kenny. Old senile Jerry just acts like nothing happened.

    Now Sale as a hothead feels empowered that whenever he's pissed he can do whatever and fuck it all. Again, this ownership group and front office hired a weak manager who can't control a locker room (or manage in game as well) and Sale feels like he can cut up jerseys he doesn't want to wear.

    Basically Sale is an asshole but the team basically brought this on themselves with overall incompetence that starts with having fucking Robin Ventura as a manager for five seasons. What organization would insist to a guy that didn't even want the job in the first place that he take it as a favor to them. And they only hired him because he's the anti Ozzie. Quiet company man who won't cause controversy. Ironically though it's his weak manager style that has caused controversy for this team.

    At this point you have to trade Sale IMO. Otherwise the team is admitting they are letting Sale do whatever the hell he wants because they feel they need him to draw fans. Attendance is pretty shitty anyway so I don't know why they care if they are 25th or 30th in attendance, doesn't really make much of a difference. Fuck it, blow it all up cocksuckers.
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  2. Ziggy
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    Ziggy I Can Get Laid in Germany

    Agreed on all counts, but I want a new front office combination, including a change at GM because I don't see how anyone could trust KW OR Hahn to get the maximum value in a Sale deal.
  3. CaptainBallz
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    Sale obviously can't stand the shitheads running this organization and is probably doing what he can at this point to get traded away from this loser franchise and increase his chances of a ring or two to go along with his HOF numbers. Can't say I blame him - even if he's a bit of a diva and showed his ass during the Fatherboy Saga.

    I hope they trade Sale for his sake. The fuck should any SOX fan care if we hang onto a superstar ace while still finishing in 4th place every fucking year.
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  4. CrazyButtfuckMcGee
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    CrazyButtfuckMcGee No wallet. No crack. Not me.

    He'll go into the HOF wearing another jersey. We'll have a bunch of players that are merely trivia answers to snicker at on "huge" message boards in return.
  5. y2chae
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    I don't want to downplay what Sale did. He's not just a diva. He's a petulant baby that throws temper tantrums when things don't go his way and his actions Saturday were borderline psychotic. He needs to grow up but he's not the only person at fault for this mess, the entire organization shares culpability from the top down.
  6. samram
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    samram Bon Vivant

    That' where I'm at. The people that think they should hang onto him are forgetting that they aren't 2 years from putting a good team on the field behind him (or they're part of the baseball stupid who think that just trying over and over to catch lightning in a bottle is a worthwhile plan). They're 5 years minimum, by which time he would have walked and been earning $35M for 2 years.
  7. y2chae
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    The Cubs only sucked for 3 years after Theo took over. Granted Theo is 100000x times better at this job than Kenny but he also inherited a pretty bare bones roster when he took over. The only real assets the Cubs had when Theo took over were a Soriano at the end of his career, Castro who was still young and cost controlled so they didn't want to move him, Shark, Marmol, Dempster and Garza.

    Sale alone should bring a better package than what they eventually got for Soriano, Shark, Dempster and Garza combined. Then you have the Sox other assets- Quintana, Abreu, Eaton, Lawrie, Frazier, Melky, Robertson (if he stops sucking), Duke and Jones. If they make the right trades they could be competitive in 2-3 seasons.
  8. Unregistered
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    Considering there's basically zero historical precedent with this group finding and grooming great prospects, I'd almost just rather keep Sale and give us someone worthwhile to watch every 5 days. People do like to compare this to what the Cubs did in short time, but Theo used a combination of baseball IQ and good luck for that turnaround to happen (not to mention hired a great manager).

    The Sox will trade Sale for 2 guys who never make the ML team, a guy with good fielding ability but no bat, and a mediocre RP that nobody remembers.
  9. AnthraxFan93
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    AnthraxFan93 BASEBALL GURU

    :really:
  10. y2chae
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    y2chae Panda

    If Sale is traded this week and keeps this up until like 2024 for another team, why wouldn't he go in the HOF in another jersey?
  11. AnthraxFan93
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    AnthraxFan93 BASEBALL GURU

    IF he keeps it ups.. ( enter Viagra joke here)
  12. Zoso
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    Zoso *autistic screeching* Cupcake Mod

    I'm with Unreg, forgive and forget like a bad marriage. Fire Robin, don't trade a HOF pitcher.
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  13. Cheeses
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    Cheeses Depraved Pervert, Wilco Fan Cupcake Mod

    :what:
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  14. Zoso
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    Zoso *autistic screeching* Cupcake Mod

  15. skottyj
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    skottyj Owner of Many Baseball Hats

    What if this incident is like the blow up doll of '08?
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  16. CrazyButtfuckMcGee
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    CrazyButtfuckMcGee No wallet. No crack. Not me.

    I'm so thrilled Anthrax is back.......

    :kick:
  17. SABRSox
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    SABRSox Hollywood Mega-Hunk Bob Balaban Cupcake Mod

    If you trade Sale now, I don't think you get the best possible value.

    We'd be better off keeping him, firing Ventura, getting an old school angry as shit manager in there who will make sure the clubhouse runs properly, and then trade him later when everybody else doesn't know that the player is unsettled.
  18. CrazyButtfuckMcGee
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    CrazyButtfuckMcGee No wallet. No crack. Not me.

    But, will the SOX show such sound logic?

    :hippie:
  19. Mercy
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    Mercy Contrarian

    Does it make any difference that he is reported to have taken a knife to those jerseys, not scissors? Maybe a little creepier. Or maybe just all he had at hand at the moment?

    :zo:
  20. Retarded Ox
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    Retarded Ox I wish Quaye would hug me.

    Half that fucking clubhouse is a bunch of rednecks why would it surprise you that he has a hunting knife in his possession
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  21. maurice
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    maurice Gangster of Love

    The rednecks I've known carry a knife at all times, because you never know when you might need to field dress a deer.
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  22. y2chae
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    y2chae Panda

    Hunting knife was my first thought too.
  23. samram
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    samram Bon Vivant

    Well, apparently Sale is not exactly sorry for what he did.

    His statement is pretty ridiculous. He clearly has no respect for anyone in management.
  24. y2chae
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    y2chae Panda

    Gotta trade him. He talks about how winning is important but he forced a Matt Albers start and the bullpen is taxed right now. He's an idiot.
  25. samram
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    samram Bon Vivant

    Well, they also only sucked for 3 years because they were moving assets. If they had held on to the guys they had and tried to build around them, they would still suck.

    Sale is obviously better than those guys, but if the Sox keep Sale, I don't see the path to them being good within 5 years. Maybe if they did really well on a Quintana trade and a Frazier trade. Just so many holes to fill to get good.

    On the other hand, 3 straight wins probably has KW thinking about acquiring a rental.
  26. CrazyButtfuckMcGee
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    CrazyButtfuckMcGee No wallet. No crack. Not me.

    “Robin is the one who has to fight for us in that department," Sale told the website. "If the players don't feel comfortable 100 percent about what we are doing to win the game, and we have an easy fix -- it was as easy as hanging up another jersey and everyone was fine. For them to put business first over winning, that's when I lost it.”

    This asshole forget about his K-Zone marketing? Fucking chode.
  27. y2chae
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    Yeah Robin is a weak pussy but Sale is just out of line in saying Robin should go tell Hahn and Kenny that they aren't wearing the promo jerseys. No manager in baseball would do that.
  28. Cheeses
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    Cheeses Depraved Pervert, Wilco Fan Cupcake Mod

    Jersey sales help pay multimillion dollar salaries of stud pitchers?

    :weebey:
  29. y2chae
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    Well, obviously my plan involves moving every asset they have that isn't Anderson, Rodon, Fulmer.

    Even this organization could turn Sale, Quintana, Frazier, Abreu (if the deal is right, otherwise let him try to play up his value to what it was in 2014/5), Eaton, Gonzo, Lawrie, Melky, Robertson, Jennings, Duke, Jones into a group of prospects that would be considered a top 10 system, maybe even a few spots higher.
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  30. y2chae
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    I will say this, Sale has a point that it is kind of bullshit for them to be expected to wear an untucked jersey and one with a collar, it's just not a traditional uniform and I could see why that would be annoying. However you just do what everyone else in America that has a problem with their job does, just bitch about it but still go do your job. He could've just said after the game that the uniforms are shitty and he never wants to wear them again. That itself probably would've gotten that shit nixed for future.
  31. CaptainBallz
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    My guess is that Sale probably bitched about it a bunch before Saturday, but ol' dipshit earwax couldn't be bothered to actually do anything about it. Then it was 110 degrees in the shade on gameday and Sale lost his shit.
  32. Cheeses
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    Cheeses Depraved Pervert, Wilco Fan Cupcake Mod

    Sale specifically complained about those particular jerseys affected his mechanics, so guess I can't 100% blame the dude.

    :zo:
  33. CrazyButtfuckMcGee
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    CrazyButtfuckMcGee No wallet. No crack. Not me.

    Last year. They tailored the uniforms for comfort this year based off those complaints. Sale is a fucking whine ass.
  34. y2chae
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    y2chae Panda

    Yeah but what the hell power does Robin have to get those jerseys tossed out? None. I guess he could've pushed Sale back a day but that also sends a bad message, that you can throw a temper tantrum and you get what you want.
  35. Cheeses
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  36. y2chae
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    y2chae Panda

    I've maintained Sale has a point but he's an employee of the team. Bitch all you want to anyone in the organization but at the end of the day go out and pitch you stupid Florida hick.
  37. whitesox901
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    whitesox901 Aubergine Dreams

    He's probably voting for TRUMPF!!!!1 :repub: :repub:

    /Cheeses
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  38. SABRSox
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    SABRSox Hollywood Mega-Hunk Bob Balaban Cupcake Mod

    From what I've read, Sale told the Sox in spring training he did not want to pitch in that jersey. Clearly there are issues with it and they should have moved his start.
  39. Stockdale4Veep
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    Hey, it's hot out. I'm gonna tell my boss we shouldn't work because it's hot and if he says get back to work I'll slash things.

    He's paid to throw the ball, stfu and get a better WAR than Quintana.
  40. CaptainBallz
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    I don't disagree. Sale's comment just sounds like he thought Robin should go to bat for the team about the shit jersey. Robin apparently didn't, so Sale had a shit fit. I find it hard to believe that a promotion (which the Sox could still pull off even if the players arent wearing the jersey) is that set in stone where they couldn't allow regular jerseys even when the coach goes upstairs and says his players cant stand it. Especially in heat like Saturday.
  41. Iwritecode
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    Iwritecode Writing Code Again

    They should have set up the rotation after the AS break so that his start wouldn't fall on that day. Was there a reason he didn't make his first start after the break until the 18th?
  42. y2chae
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    y2chae Panda

    They probably wanted to give him extra rest after the ASG. However, yeah if they knew in advance he didn't like the uniforms they could've set the rotation to avoid it. Still most of the blame falls on Sale for being a whiny baby.
  43. Stockdale4Veep
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    .......are we talking about Cher here?
  44. Mercy
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    Mercy Contrarian

    So Slasher Sale still (publicly) hates on the Front Office and now he's publicly dissing his manager. It's like every angry 12-year-old's dream: I'm gonna show THEM!
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2016
  45. CrazyButtfuckMcGee
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    CrazyButtfuckMcGee No wallet. No crack. Not me.

    But he apologized to his teammates and the :moo: doe
  46. Mercy
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    Mercy Contrarian

    Absolutely! As he said, "It's unfortunate it got to this point."
  47. Unregistered
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    Unregistered The Facebook of Fucking Cupcake Mod

    Also to be fair, Robin is a shitty manager.
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  48. Mercy
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    Mercy Contrarian

    Oh my yes! But when we put away childish things (and make mega million $ salaries) we learn to regulate what comes out of our mouths in public. Well, some do.
  49. SABRSox
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    You can't take the redneck out of a redneck.
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